A podcast about energy, illusions, and the hard limits of the energy transition.

Forget green fairy tales: This episode breaks down the narrative of the energy transition into its material, political, and geographical components. Verena Kreilinger and Christian Zeller discuss why decarbonization faces hard limits under capitalism, why fossil fuel pathways remain surprisingly resilient, and how “green” hydrogen or “green” steel are more about regional economic policy than saving the world.

It’s about energy flows rather than wishful thinking, about fossil fuel backlash rather than romantic notions of progress, about the state, capital, and the return of old economic-geographical questions: Where is production taking place, where do energy and raw materials come from, and who controls locations, transport routes, and value creation? In short: fewer promises of salvation, more reality checks.

Where to listen:
 Letscast.fm
 Spotify
 Apple Podcasts
 Amazon Music